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hello everyone this is Ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you another episode of hero

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paranormal thanks for tuning in tonight

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we have an epic guest it is mr. Gordon

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white he is the well-known chaos

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magician author blogger he is also the

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person behind rune soup

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excellent excellent website go-to rune

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soup calm it covers magic culture and

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the paranormal he also has a blog a

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weekly podcast and he talks about magic

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culture geopolitics anthropology in the

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paranormal he's written a few books on

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the same topics which are all just great

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works I'm currently reading the Kaos

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protocols and it's epic highly recommend

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it

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also check out Pieces of Eight that's a

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Chaos magic essays and enchantments and

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starships a prehistory of the spirits

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all great books I hope to touch on some

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of the some of the content of those

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books but also not be bound by that and

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talk to Gordon about other things of

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interest including animism and Native

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American magic delve into the

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differences between different cultures

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and their magical traditions and

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possibly even how this all equates into

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shapeshifter territory in northeastern

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Utah where the skinwalkers run free this

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could be interesting stuff in

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interesting territory to roam with

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Gordon and I know we don't have a better

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mr. Gordon white welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast oh that's great I'm

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so excited to talk to you I've been

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reading the Kaos protocols great book

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all of your books are very interesting I

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wanted to delve a little bit into them

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but not not be held or bound by that and

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I I wanted to discuss some other things

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that are going on and also discuss you

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know there's so there's so much it seems

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is at the forefront right now with magic

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and it's it's it's strange I wanted to

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get your opinion there's a lot of

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oddities going on take for example the

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bush fires in Australia and we we've had

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a new year and the the propaganda

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machine has just been off the chain I

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just wanted to get your opinion of of

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of how things are going in the current

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state in the world and and what that

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means to you um interesting so I would

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agree with you and they're on a

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propaganda front and and generally it's

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because a big part of or at least some

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part of it is that more people are

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starting to notice how much or how

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pervasive propaganda is as well as it's

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sort of being dialed up because at the

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moment it it's at levels of

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ridiculousness whether it's Russia gate

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or or reheated Russia gate or whatever

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else you want and fewer if you google

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being suckered in by it now what that

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means is the people who emits propaganda

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do so in a more and more shrill in a

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louder and louder way and that's

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probably going to continue at least

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until after the election because they

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don't actually know how to do anything

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else other than other than lie and just

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give you Fiat declarations of what

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reality actually is and and that appears

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to just be a thing that happens now is

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it so I'm very interested in different

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cycle models so astrology being the main

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one but also mountain Armstrong's a I

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called Socrates and how he uses the

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economic confidence model to to to hang

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different events in in time I guess it's

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a way of thinking about it and and you

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just look at of course any of the cycle

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models that are available and have held

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up to scrutiny and we're aware at a

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point where this kind of thing happens

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we're at a point where we get increasing

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polarization decrease in quality and

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governance and and that's just a thing

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that happens now it seems like it's it's

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been very well mapped out by people

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before us the signs were on the wall so

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to speak in many cases obviously a lot

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of things come to mind at the forefront

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what it could be something our Connacht

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the Demiurge how it applies to our

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social media television programming and

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and and all the time people spend in

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front or in that world is that the

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direction we're headed or is there a lot

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other possibilities well interesting

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question so that is the direction a

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level of the power elite would want us

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to head in which is a very technocratic

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and entirely managed way of existing but

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I think more and more people because

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that is so it satisfactory it is you

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know it does things like shorten your

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life and give you depression and and all

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the other things that come with sort of

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over managed too much screen time etc

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etc so when people are looking to

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navigate

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I guess reality in general and they

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don't have and it doesn't necessarily

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need to be magical but they don't have

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what I would consider as efficiently

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haunted world view you two things happen

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either you don't have and the most

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important one is that you don't have I

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think a coherent set of tactics and

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approaches in your own life that you can

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use and it doesn't mean you have to do

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magic but you need to be aware that the

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universe is fundamentally spiritual in

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one way or the other and if you don't

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have that when it comes to trying to get

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a read on the power of politics or the

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geopolitics of our world

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without the spiritual component you will

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over describe the impact of

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conspiratorial groups I guess here's one

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way of saying it so that without

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realizing that much of this stuff does

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emanate from the spiritual without

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realizing that then you end up over

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describing and giving too much power to

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purport a deep state or you know a

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classic Illuminati style group and it's

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not that these groups don't have power

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or don't exist it's that they are

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players operating in a universe that is

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fundamentally haunted for for one of a

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less dramatic world so for me it's a

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question of stacking and you can come at

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it from whichever angle and I don't

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necessarily mind by that beginning that

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the first thing one has to do is to

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realize and know in your bones that

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there is a spiritual reality one way or

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the other and in the book that you

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mentioned chaos protocol to have a

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chapter called becoming invisible which

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is specifically about that and the keys

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to have an exercise or an experience

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that is undeniably and I hate this term

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but we have to use it at this point

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undeniably supernatural so it just

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rattles you and you will never

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accidentally slip back into a

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materialist mode because once that

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happens you realize that you and

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everyone else is playing a much

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game and that necessarily changes your

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tactics and how you view the game board

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I suppose yeah that is the best chapter

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I love I just love it and there are a

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lot of great things in the book one of

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my favorite sayings is that in fact the

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question of how one becomes truly

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initiated in magic is perhaps the one

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you're asked more than any other my

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answer is always the same inevitably and

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I think that's a classic question which

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kind of brings up the next question

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herbs potions magic medicine and as long

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as it's been a part of our human

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existence on earth what is with the

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power elite are those in control who

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govern others usually forbidding this or

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trying to turn a blind eye and almost

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make fun of it I think of that show I

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was waiting for something for a long

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time I'm really into remote viewing and

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I was waiting for that show to come out

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about the Stargate program and you know

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the men who stare at goats came out and

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I was so excited but then of course it's

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a comedy it's it's almost a way of

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declassifying something with humor so

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that it's completely ignored yet still

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coming out with it what what is the

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reason for that um it's a really it's a

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really good question and it comes back

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to I have this saying that Gnosticism is

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the map animism is the territory which

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is my version of there does appear to be

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at least in the West because here's the

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thing and you know putting quotation

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marks around the West here's the thing

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if you look at power elite around the

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worlds relationship to magic and

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herblore and things that can purportedly

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heal or extend your life you have

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Chinese alchemy which was practiced on

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and by Emperor's and so on so there and

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and whatever so it's pretty much been a

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Roman suspicion and squeamishness about

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magics and Christianity inherited

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because we think it was Christianity

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that didn't like my chicken it doesn't

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but it largely inherited and didn't

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change any of the Roman laws

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circumscribing the use of soothsayers

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and astrology and what-have-you

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which you know I'm criminalized in

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various cities around run around in the

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Roman Empire so we've kind of had a

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legacy of Roman squeamishness about

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magic and and that's been inherited for

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well 2,000 years ago it would take it is

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slightly different from about the mid

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20th century in the US and the rise of

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the kind of national security state that

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happened in conjunction with whatever

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Roswell was and all the other kind of

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mysterious things to do with you know

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paperclip and all the rest of it's very

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well picked over area but clearly a

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either a realization or an event

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happened in the late 40s that

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necessitated the build-out of a whole

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kind of like classified world and

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whatever you think Roswell all those

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things happen to be in arguably in

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Stargate the Stargate program is a good

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example of this and arguably there are

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people who are at a senior level in a

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purported deep state or shadow state who

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are well aware of things that we would

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call magic having some reality to them

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and we're actively trying to and still

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are actively trying to make sure that we

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don't actually sit with the implications

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of that and in the case of remote

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viewing it's because it's [\h__\h] easy

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and if people can read inside you know

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which they can if people can read inside

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classified bolts it's a whole new

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security game right and I think you're

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coming back to the minitor code it's a

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great film but as you say oh how

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interesting what should be a fundamental

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game-changer for people who are

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philosophically inclined which is to say

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how model of mind equals brain is

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entirely wrong came out as a comedy so

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that you can kind of laugh at it and go

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it wasn't that wacky and fun and it is a

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fun movie but wasn't that lucky in fun

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yea those silly guys and it's it's it's

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so true it is the Western Way of just

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the public relations and spin involved

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is so good in some of these especially

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with Hollywood it's one of those things

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we just can't get away from a question I

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wanted to ask you that is a little off

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topic beckons a bit of Native American

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or witchcraft and magic as well

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something I'm very interested in the

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skinwalker culture and these

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quote-unquote hitchhikers that when in

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said locations or hotspots of

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high-energy quote-unquote portal

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activity that these hitchhikers or

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spirits you don't want to come home with

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you and of course there's magic medicine

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and things you can do to ward this off

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but this is something that we are

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hearing about more and more often it

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didn't used to be as popular and I think

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it is a reality to some level what if

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anything is the consistency in like that

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the rise in this where it used to just

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be shrugged off is this an acceptance

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that magic is real yeah

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and it's better late than never I

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suppose

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oh the idea that to be in magically

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charged areas or to do magically charged

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things attract look let's just take evil

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spirits right is if universally attested

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so I've actually just finished up a

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several day ayahuasca retreat with a

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properly trained shaman and and she

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spent a lot of the time that we're in

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ceremony essentially shoring up the

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boundaries of the ceremony area because

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the the shaman sort of principle role in

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testing that and it's an overused term

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but we'll use it like this between the

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worldspace active is to make sure that

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once you open something like that uh oh

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these are stuff that you want to come

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through comes through and and so if you

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don't have those skills or if you're

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unaware that that's what happens in

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magically charged areas or environments

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then yeah you pick up some some Gerstner

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and and that if you just look at magical

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practices not just the ones that have

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come down to it's throughout the West

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but if you look horizontally around the

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world the majority of it is this kind of

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banishing and and and placed protection

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and home protection and so on because

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again coming back to once you realize

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you're in a fundamental there I say

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crowded universe it there are tactics

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that you kind of sort of implications of

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that like there's the tactics flow on

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and one of them is you know brute

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energetic hygiene in that sense and and

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I think

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a lot of the scarier events that

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happened in that overlap between the

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sort of 40 in or paranormal world and

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magic are definitely better understood

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at least initially through that frame of

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well what would your energetic I dream

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like and I think you just hit on

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something that when I first became

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hooked on this enigma which was really

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just light shows and energies and balls

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of light and just amazing you know

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things manifesting and lights opening up

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in the sky and things coming in and out

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of them just barely off the ground these

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are things that other researchers quite

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a few have seen and it's very strange

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Gordon because like you said when I

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found this out and it was way too late

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it was a it was almost like a quarantine

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moment where I realized that was like

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giving a monkey a machine gun you know I

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had no right to hear the implications

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well I mean good I mean that's that's a

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becoming invincible moment because now

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it is it's so big to start with and of

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course you wouldn't I mean how we're

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just not good enough at growing people

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up in cultures that are aware of it but

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I think that's changing and if you look

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at I mean let's be honest it could have

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been worse one of the things that

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interests me in the sort of classic long

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term UFO cases if people don't have a

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spiritual practice there there's a high

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correlation between that and early

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deaths from things like cancer or or

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what-have-you

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so we kind of know that there's like

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there's a bad health diagnosis cohort

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amongst experiences and encounter

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examples would be someone like Whitley

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Strieber who even before is his initial

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encounters with big on the Gurdjieff

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material so you know he's been doing

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energetic work for 50 years and he's

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still here right and if you look at some

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of the other stuff that's repeated

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contact with things that we don't really

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have an adequate name for because of

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historical reasons to do with

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materialism and so on there's probably

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something to it and and I kind of when I

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checked to people who are ongoing

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experiences I try to get a feel for

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their energetic hygiene practice

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until they have a do they have wards

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around their house and that kind of

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thing and and invariably they don't and

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that simply wouldn't be the case

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anywhere else or anywhere else around

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the world including our own kind of like

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Northwest European cultures up until

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about 300 years ago so we we sort of

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feared from dare I say some health

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practices that we should bring back my

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interest is extremely peak now Gordon I

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and I that brings up another question

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but I don't want to veer off of this

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road too far something I've noticed and

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I don't know I guess talismans amulets

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things of that nature things that you

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pick up during your life I have noticed

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some of the strangest ones that I

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wouldn't have expected have some of the

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strangest correlations to activity but

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coming back to what we were just talking

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about the what you were mentioning could

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you go into detail a bit about that as

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far as the hygiene and the the how it

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applies to our well I guess it's to to

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to our spirituality and our well

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consider we used to do things like pray

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every night and before bed and go to

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church and we used to have witches

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bottles that we'd bury underneath our

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hearts or or make little markings you

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know above the fireplace or any of these

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kind of you know throwing salt planting

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lavender - or rosemary rather to protect

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against witchcraft and all these little

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folk customs that because we decided

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they were cute and quaint and primitive

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we just stopped doing because 300 years

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ago we had the Enlightenment and and a

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whole bunch of waste coated white men

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told us that the only thing that exists

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was matter and so we sort of abandoned

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these practices that in the case of

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things like the correlations

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Queen rosemary and witchcraft may well

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go back to literally the Neolithic and

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so we have these long-lived customs and

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relationships that we just spent three

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hundred years ignoring and and look and

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the interesting thing about it is when

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when people kind of sit with those

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realizations I'm sure people listen to

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this show the majority of them would

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have and I don't care what kind some

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kind of spiritual kinda like view on the

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world right and so it might be the case

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okay yeah I'm driving on this I'm

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getting what you're saying I am going to

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go and buy a house blessing kit from

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from a nearby Britannica and they find

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it it's the easiest thing in the world

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for whatever reason place protection is

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comes naturally to anyone it is not a

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different but difficult kind of magic

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and and and it's something probably

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because if the thing humans are meant to

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do is part of making habitat right and

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and people do that and they

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fundamentally have a change in the dream

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state particularly for people who have

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persistent nightmares one day I was

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talking to would have hag attacks which

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happened to me as a child but they

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typically end as you head into puberty

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and he was having a reason early 30s

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when we met and he was still getting

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them so I told him have been house

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blessing kits when he went off and

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bought one and he hasn't had one since

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and that was three or four years ago so

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it's people will notice a night-and-day

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difference just by doing something as

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simple as literally buying an

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off-the-shelf house protection kit from

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a Botanica and just using it right and

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and that is that is worth thinking about

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that's we're thinking about why that is

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so except effective in materially

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changing something like persistent

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nightmares or sense of gloom and

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depression in in a house or a home or an

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area yeah I remember the first time that

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it was actually in the Uintah Basin of

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Utah near an area called well that near

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a shape-shifter territory where these

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tricksters just love to just engage

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right and I remember and I'm the I

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honestly lived a good 25 minutes away

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from this place and that's a fast route

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and I thought I was free and clear well

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it the first time somebody said you know

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what is this around your house

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and I said salt and they looked at me

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like I was crazy and they said that must

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be for the bugs right and it just kind

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of hit me like woah thank you sort of

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yeah reminded me a little bit of Tom

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DeLonge into the Stars Academy it's a

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great name the others or the bugs the

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what are your thoughts and I'm neither

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here nor there I'm a um I'm I'm a

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spectator only in this in how it applies

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to the Stars Academy there's good things

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and bad things I think about these years

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really 2019 was a huge year for UFO

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disclosure or at least skirting around

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it in retrospect it might not be I think

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a lot of it so it the to the stars stuff

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I think was propaganda designed to be

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associated with a Clinton presidency

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that never happened and and it was

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supposed to be the air cover for where

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all these devices and flying saucers

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that the military-industrial complex is

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clearly built especially air cover for

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that because they were presumably going

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to use them in into Russia in a war

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right and so it's sort of been this

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abandoned stepchild disclosure project

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that is and it and diminishing in use or

544
00:23:32,669 --> 00:23:29,380
utility I think they gave it a shot by

545
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:32,679
2018 early 2019 but you've seen the walk

546
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:37,360
backs of this guy you know yes he worked

547
00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:39,010
for it no he didn't know he didn't do

548
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:41,950
this yes he did this and so you can I

549
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,059
have this mess

550
00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:47,679
yeah an abandoned stepchild of

551
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:49,390
disclosure right and I think it's

552
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,070
because whenever we get disclosure it

553
00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:53,650
will be because it has a geostrategic

554
00:23:57,210 --> 00:23:55,990
purpose it won't just be the public has

555
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:57,220
a right to know the public doesn't have

556
00:24:01,529 --> 00:23:58,890
a right to know anything it never has

557
00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:01,539
we're peasants to them like if they

558
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,070
could kill us and they're trying and

559
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,640
they would so when we do get it it's

560
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:08,799
gross and I think that's been the

561
00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:11,049
situation with something like to the

562
00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:12,760
Stars and it's just coming back to the

563
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,100
initial question of its the thing that

564
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:16,960
happens now there are some longer

565
00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:19,570
astrological cycles that

566
00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:21,670
would suggest that events like the to

567
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,860
the stars Academy and the abandoned

568
00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:25,980
stepchild version of disclosure

569
00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:29,020
happening would happen now write longer

570
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:30,760
cycles to do with triplicities moving

571
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:32,590
from an earth went to an air one and all

572
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:33,850
this other stuff that I talk about on

573
00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:37,840
the show sometimes and so again I think

574
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,800
without a a robust model of dare I say

575
00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:43,600
like a living or haunted universe as

576
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:46,030
your step one I think we either put too

577
00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:48,310
little or too much emphasis because the

578
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:50,020
funny thing is from a from a cycle model

579
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:52,330
or a wanted universe perspective to the

580
00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:54,430
started and up but it's an up that

581
00:24:58,020 --> 00:24:56,200
happens because these are the things

582
00:25:00,960 --> 00:24:58,030
that happen now so it's also a proof of

583
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:00,970
a thing and that's I think more useful

584
00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:04,180
more useful perspective on whether or

585
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:06,520
not to form an opinion on if it's good

586
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:09,940
and bad if it's good or bad as an active

587
00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:12,690
disclosure I hope that makes sense

588
00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:17,670
absolutely and I'm completely with that

589
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:20,500
things happen now and it's a thing and

590
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:24,010
and and this this entire trump

591
00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:27,730
presidency may be one of those things we

592
00:25:35,550 --> 00:25:30,940
see a whole adjustment from the

593
00:25:38,940 --> 00:25:35,560
conspiracy side with Keck and a frog and

594
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:38,950
a meme and me magic and then all sudden

595
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:41,650
we hear that word and it perfectly

596
00:25:46,220 --> 00:25:44,380
explains the rest of the consequences to

597
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:46,230
the election nothing made sense

598
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:50,980
everything was a mess and then it's made

599
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:54,610
great again and nobody it was the

600
00:26:00,000 --> 00:25:58,330
weirdest thing ever but coming back to

601
00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:00,010
where we were talking about Gordon I

602
00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:02,140
don't think you could be more accurate

603
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:05,230
and how you described that the the

604
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:07,450
competitive nature of society and how

605
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:09,400
its based around this false narrative of

606
00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:13,030
the federal reserve system and those who

607
00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:15,550
are relentlessly after success will

608
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:18,040
always use whatever they can and it

609
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:19,780
seems like they are using these works in

610
00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:22,690
these magics this medicine from a native

611
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,030
perspective and so when I hear people

612
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:27,700
that don't believe the elites are using

613
00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:29,530
magic I'm blown away it embarrassing

614
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:31,780
right yeah what

615
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:33,970
how you just did yeah I don't think

616
00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:36,940
people who've sent with you think just

617
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:38,380
there's a failure to understand history

618
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:40,750
right there because it's just simply it

619
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:45,130
is like historically incorrect why is it

620
00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:50,320
that the one or the few with the

621
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:53,020
differences the bloodline or the elite

622
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,750
have always had information or it always

623
00:26:59,250 --> 00:26:57,760
reminds me of the Baphomet you know

624
00:27:01,680 --> 00:26:59,260
they're weighing the positive and the

625
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,690
negative or they're they're doing as

626
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:04,240
they are told but this has been done

627
00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:08,020
it's really performing magic over the

628
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,420
entire populace this has been done for

629
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:12,880
generations and I wanted to bring

630
00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:16,150
something people attacking others who

631
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:18,220
this is this is what we hear about on

632
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:20,410
the reservation which is I know this is

633
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:22,630
we're gonna take a huge sidetrack here

634
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,400
people attacking out it's the same story

635
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,520
here anywhere others who have things

636
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:30,880
they want and doing so through damaging

637
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:34,990
consequences magic and basically what

638
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:38,470
we're talking about in any elite VIP

639
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,810
usually the top of the pyramid

640
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:42,880
are the most suspect but I don't wanna I

641
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:45,940
don't want to end up you know like the

642
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:47,890
bottom of the pyramid so let me let me

643
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:50,050
switch faces here and go into ethnic

644
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:54,130
Jen's magic and traveling and the

645
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:56,950
messages and how everyone rips you a new

646
00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:59,050
one when you even mention the connection

647
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:01,510
or the word eff Nia Jen the first time I

648
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:03,610
mentioned it everybody immediately it

649
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:07,530
goes into are you a druggie and the

650
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:10,870
interesting thing is nobody disputes

651
00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:15,070
what happens after the taking of said

652
00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:17,800
substance they dispute the taking of it

653
00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:19,660
which is the strangest thing ever

654
00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:21,580
what are your thoughts on that and how

655
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:23,140
its kind of been defined by the

656
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,630
government here and and and yet we were

657
00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:27,490
the ones that have probably manipulated

658
00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:29,500
it used it on the populace the most I

659
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:33,820
know that both the Nazis and then the

660
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:38,110
early precursor to the CIA investigated

661
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:40,630
the use of peyote as an truth zero so

662
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,950
that was the sort of first one right

663
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:43,760
once it went to German as opposed

664
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:46,280
counted in the late 19th century in the

665
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:49,670
US so the first one but in the kind of

666
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:52,310
post-war period if you look at the use

667
00:29:00,400 --> 00:28:57,850
of things like LSD you can see that the

668
00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:00,410
most of its production was done by

669
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:01,880
intelligence agencies and it was kind of

670
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:03,920
farmed out through the colleges and

671
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,950
universities in the land it's a mass

672
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,480
experiment in mind control of mind

673
00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:10,880
manipulation and what's fascinating

674
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:13,340
about that is the other MK projects have

675
00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:16,370
included things like the methods of

676
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:19,460
attempting to debrief dead CIA agents

677
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:21,050
using Ouija board and so on so these

678
00:29:25,570 --> 00:29:23,450
projects are being run by a group that

679
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:25,580
knows that there is something about mind

680
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,680
and spirit that is officially not the

681
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:29,440
same and by the same token they're

682
00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:33,290
testing in particular LSD on a bunch of

683
00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:36,920
people and and you think well in each of

684
00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:38,060
these different groups they would have

685
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:41,480
been told the objectives were something

686
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:42,920
different to what they are because if

687
00:29:46,990 --> 00:29:45,080
you kind of step foot throughout that

688
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:47,000
shadow state pyramid you'll see people

689
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,170
who have a world view that allow things

690
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:49,520
like spirits and telepathy and whatever

691
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:51,500
to exist doing things like mass

692
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,930
manipulation of students minds but

693
00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:55,370
largely to see what would happen and

694
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:57,860
that again brings us back to remote

695
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:02,960
viewing where and Godley was essentially

696
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,790
suggested that they started using LSD

697
00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:06,320
with remote viewers but it makes it

698
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,300
worse but it's interesting right so that

699
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:10,640
you know that they have somewhere

700
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:13,970
officially kind of like an overlap of

701
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:16,940
truths to do with the nature of the mind

702
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:20,510
being at least partially immaterial and

703
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,730
the capacity of the mind to do things

704
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:25,100
like telepathy and see in places where

705
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:27,050
the body isn't and then the third one is

706
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:29,720
that the mind can be adjusted or

707
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:31,370
encountered different things via

708
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:33,530
entheogens or hallucinogens or whatever

709
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:36,980
so you kind of see that there's a logic

710
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,570
and especially as these groups are the

711
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,600
ones who are going to have anyone in the

712
00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:43,600
government are the most likely to have

713
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:45,800
some understanding or the best

714
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:47,240
understanding which i think is

715
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:49,820
necessarily incomplete of what the UFO

716
00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:53,270
phenomena are right and you have these

717
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:55,160
essentially overlaps of true

718
00:31:03,130 --> 00:30:59,720
that in at a senior enough level can you

719
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:03,140
kind of point to it and go okay so what

720
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:04,430
would you do if you were sitting with

721
00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:07,190
all these participation ways I find

722
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:08,420
fascinating but anything in terms in

723
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:11,710
general I think implicated Ian Murray

724
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:14,300
the rise of modern humans in the first

725
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,010
place right so that's a very full

726
00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:18,320
stomach thing which is if you look at

727
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:21,230
some of the monkeys that are kind of

728
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:23,470
closely related to hominins or in it

729
00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:26,450
they would consume between twenty and

730
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:28,400
thirty kilos of mushrooms a year in

731
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:30,200
Africa which means eventually you're

732
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:31,490
going to be consuming ones that have

733
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:33,920
psychedelic effects right and then that

734
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:36,050
sort of process kicks off different ways

735
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:37,580
of thinking or encountering the spirits

736
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,780
and so and so it does appear that

737
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:40,640
throughout the history of the building

738
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:43,760
of humans by whatever built us and we've

739
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,610
encountered plant teachers and fungus

740
00:31:50,530 --> 00:31:48,320
teachers and and so on and that's

741
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:50,540
generally been one of the principal

742
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:53,630
methods of interaction with the spirit

743
00:31:58,930 --> 00:31:56,270
world for hundreds of thousands of years

744
00:32:01,900 --> 00:31:58,940
and and we're trying to view it sort of

745
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:01,910
five decades after a shadow State hijack

746
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:04,010
and that does tend to unbalance and

747
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:07,190
broadly speaking the the I'm quite

748
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:08,690
bullish about the changes particularly

749
00:32:12,610 --> 00:32:09,980
in the u.s. at the legal status of

750
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:12,620
psilocybin because I think one it has an

751
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:14,330
amazing and tremendous therapeutic

752
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:17,330
potential but two it really does open up

753
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:19,640
the possibility of having a really

754
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:22,010
worthwhile becoming invincible moment

755
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:24,190
because you will legally get access to

756
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:27,590
terence mckenna's and favorite five

757
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,530
grams in silent darkness and sort of

758
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:33,530
superhero dose and and that i think is a

759
00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:36,230
positive thing again from an a Onex

760
00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:38,540
perspective like from a cycle model this

761
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:40,040
is a thing that happens now and in the

762
00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:42,650
medium term where these allies return to

763
00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:46,550
us as i like the medicine we need yeah

764
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:49,670
in that superhero dose that is you know

765
00:32:56,410 --> 00:32:52,040
when I heard that the in darkness that's

766
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:56,420
so true this is a necessary your vision

767
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,480
is actually impeding at that point that

768
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:02,960
is the interesting part about a lot of

769
00:33:08,979 --> 00:33:06,250
the FD a-- genic secret truth or

770
00:33:11,379 --> 00:33:08,989
symbolism or significant

771
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:11,389
and the impact it has on brain chemistry

772
00:33:15,939 --> 00:33:13,969
and ballet brain electrochemistry in

773
00:33:20,229 --> 00:33:15,949
particular isn't a heightening it's a

774
00:33:21,339 --> 00:33:20,239
dampening so DMT and psilocybin are so

775
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:21,349
loose and once it hits the brain

776
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:24,379
actually reduces brain activity rather

777
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:25,820
than increases it and that it's that

778
00:33:30,189 --> 00:33:28,070
reduction in brain activity that opens

779
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:30,199
up all these cosmic worlds around you

780
00:33:35,439 --> 00:33:32,329
and that's fascinating because if it

781
00:33:36,819 --> 00:33:35,449
were caused by brain chemistry it should

782
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:36,829
go in the opposite direction because

783
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:39,320
these experiences are the most profound

784
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,089
things one can essentially go through

785
00:33:44,349 --> 00:33:43,039
and they're associated with lower brain

786
00:33:46,059 --> 00:33:44,359
activity rather than higher which

787
00:33:48,129 --> 00:33:46,069
suggests again that you're actually

788
00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:48,139
interacting with spirit rather than

789
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:51,409
having a having a molecular reaction in

790
00:33:56,829 --> 00:33:54,409
your brain do and that brings me to the

791
00:33:59,529 --> 00:33:56,839
next subject which I have to delve into

792
00:34:01,899 --> 00:33:59,539
which is that elemental subject the

793
00:34:03,339 --> 00:34:01,909
force that you are feeling openness

794
00:34:07,089 --> 00:34:03,349
although there are multiple entities

795
00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:07,099
that can engage this source is is this a

796
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,429
force that we come from it's very

797
00:34:16,269 --> 00:34:13,359
interesting that people report the same

798
00:34:18,309 --> 00:34:16,279
things over and over again it's it's

799
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,319
either aliens or spirits or machine

800
00:34:23,379 --> 00:34:21,200
elves and I'm down with all of them and

801
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:23,389
believe all of them exist in our realm

802
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:26,500
in some way shape or form and I don't

803
00:34:32,019 --> 00:34:30,230
necessarily believe that engaging the

804
00:34:34,269 --> 00:34:32,029
possibility that one could exist while

805
00:34:37,539 --> 00:34:34,279
another does at the same time would make

806
00:34:39,609 --> 00:34:37,549
me a non-believer of anything really but

807
00:34:43,450 --> 00:34:39,619
I can I'm more of an omni theistic

808
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:43,460
individual so does this omni theism is

809
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:45,470
this necessary when you're looking at

810
00:34:49,329 --> 00:34:47,450
the spectrum or is this something that

811
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:49,339
why is this so hard for people to wrap

812
00:34:53,649 --> 00:34:50,929
their heads around if that is in fact

813
00:34:57,819 --> 00:34:53,659
what we're looking at oh it's big

814
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,829
honestly and so people generally don't

815
00:35:02,620 --> 00:34:59,680
like they don't like to think about

816
00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:02,630
implications and and that's even in

817
00:35:06,759 --> 00:35:04,339
living in spiritual universes so even

818
00:35:08,319 --> 00:35:06,769
like the high medieval ages that was

819
00:35:10,569 --> 00:35:08,329
generally the case most people the

820
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:10,579
majority people aren't that interested

821
00:35:14,499 --> 00:35:13,670
in the reality of spirits or angels or

822
00:35:16,829 --> 00:35:14,509
or what-have-you

823
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:16,839
it really is just

824
00:35:21,089 --> 00:35:19,690
Noora T and seekers right so I think

825
00:35:22,739 --> 00:35:21,099
that's just how it goes I think that's

826
00:35:24,509 --> 00:35:22,749
always how it's done and it's why not

827
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,519
everyone just because spirits are real

828
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:26,079
doesn't mean everyone becomes a shaman

829
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,910
in the same way just because teeth the

830
00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:29,200
real doesn't mean everyone becomes a

831
00:35:35,009 --> 00:35:32,680
dentist is is this why the elites have

832
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:35,019
traditionally been those who engage

833
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:38,950
manifest and to come to some of these

834
00:35:44,819 --> 00:35:40,569
entities depending on the entities that

835
00:35:46,259 --> 00:35:44,829
come through the spectrum because they

836
00:35:47,969 --> 00:35:46,269
have more time on their hands to

837
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:47,979
actually engage in this sort of scenario

838
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:50,529
where others are more dealing with the

839
00:35:58,170 --> 00:35:55,359
day to day maybe I think it's a

840
00:36:01,440 --> 00:35:58,180
power-play so that's like the fact that

841
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:01,450
it works is why and it was so

842
00:36:05,969 --> 00:36:04,450
interesting to the American shadow State

843
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:05,979
during the Cold War and the Russian one

844
00:36:11,549 --> 00:36:09,160
of course during the Cold War is it

845
00:36:12,749 --> 00:36:11,559
works so there's there's a pragmatism to

846
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:12,759
ever say wait a minute are you telling

847
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:15,130
me I can view the building of Soviet

848
00:36:19,709 --> 00:36:17,650
submarines for free from Fort Mary like

849
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:19,719
from Maryland right from foot Meade

850
00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:21,910
today okay let's do that

851
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:23,140
do you know what I mean it's something

852
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:25,450
it's kind of their job and I think

853
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,190
that's more to do it there is the

854
00:36:31,799 --> 00:36:30,160
further back you go when there are we

855
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:31,809
were saying it more benign forms of

856
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:35,380
kingship when when tribal governance had

857
00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:37,690
a spiritual legitimacy is a better way

858
00:36:43,499 --> 00:36:40,299
of saying that you couldn't you couldn't

859
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:43,509
actually run a tribe without the support

860
00:36:47,549 --> 00:36:45,729
of the ancestors or in a Taoist terms

861
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,559
like the Mandate of Heaven so it's

862
00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:49,839
actually always been there it's been an

863
00:36:53,279 --> 00:36:51,640
interest from a power perspective and

864
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:53,289
that it used to come with the sort of

865
00:36:58,019 --> 00:36:56,170
bearing to seem to learn but levels of

866
00:36:59,459 --> 00:36:58,029
responsibility which is if the spirits

867
00:37:00,809 --> 00:36:59,469
have chose you to lead and protect the

868
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:00,819
tribe then you were probably the first

869
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:03,099
one to die in that protecting of the

870
00:37:09,059 --> 00:37:07,269
tribe so it was it was a mixed bag you

871
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,069
know being being the boss but having the

872
00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:10,960
spirits choose you as the same thing for

873
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:12,789
a shaman I mean that's a it's not a

874
00:37:19,529 --> 00:37:15,640
sight I would I would wish so many

875
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:19,539
people to be the permanent sort of

876
00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:22,089
extra-dimensional diplomat for a tribe

877
00:37:27,019 --> 00:37:23,619
because they also tend to die young with

878
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:27,029
spirit interactions are fraught I guess

879
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:29,180
for real this is so

880
00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:31,010
interesting that you say this I recently

881
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,500
have had a few conversations that went

882
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:36,800
down this path where people say well

883
00:37:41,319 --> 00:37:39,050
what's the only way to guarantee this or

884
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:41,329
that in this particular scenario and and

885
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:43,550
you have to go back to what other

886
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:45,980
cultures did and do the same thing and

887
00:37:49,930 --> 00:37:48,109
when you're talking about tethering

888
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:49,940
yourself to the middle of the path of

889
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:52,490
the skinwalker on F the engines you know

890
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:53,960
possibly in the middle of the night

891
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,750
alone you know these are not things

892
00:38:01,089 --> 00:37:59,210
people want to engage in yet at the same

893
00:38:03,309 --> 00:38:01,099
time the secret truth behind some of

894
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:03,319
these areas is especially like in that

895
00:38:08,859 --> 00:38:06,050
parallel or that 37th parallel the

896
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:08,869
secret truth is that you have to

897
00:38:15,309 --> 00:38:13,430
participate in some practices that were

898
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:15,319
there before or there wouldn't be

899
00:38:21,579 --> 00:38:17,690
tradition however what I love about the

900
00:38:26,109 --> 00:38:21,589
Chaos magic is the recognition of these

901
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:26,119
patterns and we want it what I wanted to

902
00:38:32,319 --> 00:38:29,150
bring up is this this Western political

903
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:32,329
agenda is totally against anything

904
00:38:37,450 --> 00:38:34,670
having to do when you suggest something

905
00:38:42,359 --> 00:38:37,460
like regardless those shaman are looked

906
00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:42,369
at as insignificant without opinion and

907
00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:47,780
in reality this is the furthest thing

908
00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:52,069
from the truth yes well it brings up the

909
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:54,260
practical black magic that is inherent

910
00:39:02,400 --> 00:38:56,420
in all these cultures however large or

911
00:39:05,289 --> 00:39:02,410
small and how for everyone else this

912
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:05,299
magic is a means to obtain power

913
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:08,750
protection and it's a way to get control

914
00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:10,790
or or things that you want in your life

915
00:39:19,089 --> 00:39:15,140
and a tool for an imbalance world to

916
00:39:21,730 --> 00:39:19,099
obtain a justice sometimes that you know

917
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:21,740
you look historically and this is where

918
00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:24,650
these types of practices were cultivated

919
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:26,780
when when justice was something that was

920
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:29,780
nowhere to be seen where your enemies

921
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:32,030
right yeah like a lot of these Native

922
00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:36,290
American traditions sorry I'm tangential

923
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:39,260
as heck on this but I tend to go down

924
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:42,090
this you know when

925
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:45,150
when there was no other options

926
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:48,020
many of these Native American traditions

927
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,460
mentioned the use of shape-shifting or

928
00:39:59,290 --> 00:39:52,560
black magic practical magic scan

929
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,300
Walker's shapeshifters and is is this

930
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:02,040
necessarily unique I don't know if it is

931
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:03,930
this has been seen throughout the world

932
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:06,710
is that right Gordon I mean practical

933
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:10,170
shape-shifting is universal absolutely

934
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:13,350
and and it's a deep shag Manik power one

935
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,740
of the shamans I've been on DSA in the

936
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,140
jungle with for a couple of weeks and I

937
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:22,260
was he he stood in front of me I was on

938
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:23,820
ayahuasca but you actually get what's

939
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:25,710
going on he shape-shift it into this

940
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:27,390
amazing Panther thing in front of me

941
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:28,920
during the Olympia was incredible

942
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:33,930
so yes it's it is a language of movement

943
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:34,980
through the spirit world and then

944
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:37,830
because we don't have any of that

945
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:40,650
background anymore the tanks the heart

946
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:43,650
take on shapeshifters and-and-and

947
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:46,980
skinwalkers and so on are often so dumb

948
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:49,800
is to be too lively racist and they're

949
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:52,080
just dreadful and if they don't situate

950
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:54,630
it within the actual nations of these

951
00:40:57,860 --> 00:40:55,950
stories are happening with and those

952
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:57,870
nations aren't situated within the wider

953
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:01,740
context of antecedent shape-shifting

954
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:03,930
antecedent that have had impacts like

955
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:06,120
this Iberian stuff on the First Nations

956
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:08,670
culture so it's generally a mess of a

957
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:11,270
discussion but if you're talking about

958
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:17,190
the magic and even black magic as a

959
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,380
recourse for the powerless that's one of

960
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:21,420
the interesting things I find in history

961
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,160
of magic you know my favorite example is

962
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:25,920
hoodoo so who do is the most American

963
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,290
melting pot system of magic ever it's

964
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,540
inspired by where it takes pieces from

965
00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:33,200
traditional Chinese herbalism and

966
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,360
folklore and astrology and and Jewish

967
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:38,220
pharmacists in the south and obviously

968
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:39,780
First Nations

969
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:42,450
herb-lore and magic and and some of the

970
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:46,170
cultural practices of the slaves that

971
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,510
were brought over and obviously there's

972
00:41:52,580 --> 00:41:51,060
a kind of like weird veneer of a Baptist

973
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,590
Christianity or it not so much of the

974
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:54,480
Catholic thing but if usually look

975
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,550
at the historic lists of like who do

976
00:42:01,850 --> 00:41:58,980
spells and enchantments they are filled

977
00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:01,860
with like court case spells they're

978
00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:03,470
filled with like getting a judge to

979
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:07,080
treat you fairly and so oh and if you

980
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:10,080
consider the sort of experience of

981
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:11,670
justice for African Americans over the

982
00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:14,190
late 19th world - now but like in 20th

983
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:16,950
century you can see in the historic

984
00:42:22,580 --> 00:42:20,700
spell patents people using magic when

985
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,590
they didn't have access to justice and

986
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:24,780
and I find that I find that very

987
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:26,370
interesting rather very interesting when

988
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,200
people are squeamish about it yeah well

989
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,480
okay well why there's so many court case

990
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:33,660
spells in hoodoo canon is it because why

991
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:35,370
do you think that is and you have to

992
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:37,830
tell them well yes the the

993
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:39,360
african-american experience of justice

994
00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:40,470
over the last hundred and fifty years

995
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:42,600
has been deeply racist and can end in

996
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:44,760
hangings so of course they're a quote

997
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:48,930
capable and extreme need brings about

998
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:52,220
these extreme facility facilities and

999
00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:57,180
it's it's so true I think it's it's it's

1000
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,330
very interesting a lot of the hoodoo

1001
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:03,920
magic was also present in the

1002
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:05,910
shapeshifter territory because they were

1003
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:08,390
Buffalo Soldiers who were quote on

1004
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:11,220
writing quote-unquote like over the fort

1005
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:14,790
you know slaves watching prisoners who

1006
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:17,190
would eventually be granted lands and

1007
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:20,520
then be subsequently have those lands

1008
00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:22,590
taken from them by it'll ill-gotten

1009
00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:27,120
means but the the new stuff about the

1010
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:32,540
rules of engagement with these new-age

1011
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,370
acceptance of different magical

1012
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:38,460
practices without direction is is a

1013
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:40,890
theology involved the tradition or

1014
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:43,740
keeping a main direction that important

1015
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:51,360
or not if it's not necessarily important

1016
00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:54,180
in this new age it seems that people are

1017
00:43:59,350 --> 00:43:57,120
very Omni theistic or people tend to

1018
00:44:03,770 --> 00:43:59,360
like you said in the Hoodoo tradition

1019
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,780
except Saints from Catholicism and merge

1020
00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:06,300
them with their own belief system and

1021
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:07,940
the reality is

1022
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:12,170
magic it was the same yeah the question

1023
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:14,420
is the there's not a there's not a

1024
00:44:19,350 --> 00:44:16,580
particular path you have to take down

1025
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:19,360
this this journey of memory right okay

1026
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:23,390
well you're it's binary that's why it's

1027
00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:25,220
becoming invincible right so so magic is

1028
00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:28,040
an on off proposition which is one way

1029
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,180
or the other you have to get yourself

1030
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:30,800
into a magical universe and the glib

1031
00:44:33,970 --> 00:44:32,360
example I get which is in the book is if

1032
00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:33,980
you spend a night where the new Ouija

1033
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:36,260
board in an abandoned mental hospital in

1034
00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:37,820
the middle of the woods

1035
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:40,340
you will come when you run screaming

1036
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:42,980
from that place at about 4:00 a.m. you

1037
00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:45,350
will if you haven't got insane you will

1038
00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:47,060
never not think spirits are really good

1039
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:48,620
right and I don't recommend doing that

1040
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:50,330
that's not a very pleasant evening

1041
00:44:54,850 --> 00:44:52,850
but it's binary so now you live in a

1042
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:54,860
world where magic is a thing and and you

1043
00:45:00,040 --> 00:44:57,530
subsequently have to form an opinion of

1044
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:00,050
it but as for do you need to adopt a

1045
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:02,090
theistic what day is tick more

1046
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:05,180
specifically approach to it no you can

1047
00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:06,950
you just need to be able to live with

1048
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:09,800
reality and it's scientifically attested

1049
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:12,110
of of paranormal and sigh phenomena and

1050
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,150
okay well there appear to be techniques

1051
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:16,400
that exist and have existed for

1052
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:18,680
countless millennia around the world for

1053
00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:20,450
activating these these inherent human

1054
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:22,100
capacities whether they are telepathy

1055
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:23,570
whether they are things like remote

1056
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:25,910
viewing and that that's enough it's a

1057
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:27,740
binary of get yourself into a magical

1058
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:30,650
universe and and you kind of off to the

1059
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:31,130
races

1060
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:35,990
I I love it and I I love what you said

1061
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:39,560
about how you're off to the races and

1062
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:42,800
the the truth is the randomness may be

1063
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:45,560
part not not to overthink it may be part

1064
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:50,300
of the actual accuracy you mentioned

1065
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:52,310
that yeah believe in your book you were

1066
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,170
mentioning card oh man see and that's

1067
00:45:58,660 --> 00:45:56,240
something I think the Tarot is just you

1068
00:46:03,310 --> 00:45:58,670
look at the history of the Tarot and the

1069
00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:03,320
Tarot has its just evolved and when you

1070
00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:05,240
look at the sales of Tarot

1071
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:07,460
there's your answer I mean everybody

1072
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:09,770
denies any of anyone is paying any

1073
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:12,260
attention to any of this yet you look at

1074
00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:14,210
cycles of Tarot or things of that nature

1075
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:17,420
it's pretty dynamic how much magic is

1076
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,920
taking place before everybody's very

1077
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:20,760
eyes the West

1078
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:23,790
political agenda is have they thrown up

1079
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:25,770
an iron curtain between the reality of

1080
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:28,890
magic while some practice behind it yeah

1081
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:31,170
absolutely and the people who are

1082
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:32,700
Manning the curtain so the sort of

1083
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:35,550
technocrats don't think it's fair but at

1084
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:38,670
an extremely senior level they do to the

1085
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:42,090
point that sort of too long to go into

1086
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:46,350
but at a very very senior level at the

1087
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,210
level they have some sort of ancient

1088
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:50,160
alien religion and so on where they

1089
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:51,690
genuinely believe they are the bloodline

1090
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:53,250
descendants of people kanita who is an

1091
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:54,930
alien and whatever it's crazy

1092
00:46:58,070 --> 00:46:56,550
and they're the ones who have access to

1093
00:47:00,680 --> 00:46:58,080
a whole bunch of sumerian tablets that

1094
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:00,690
never make it into the public and so on

1095
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:02,070
i doesn't mean they're right but there

1096
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:03,480
are belief systems at a super league

1097
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:06,350
level that would make Alex Jones blush

1098
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:10,020
but at a fulfilment layer level and sort

1099
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,090
of like the EU doesn't believe any of

1100
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:13,920
that at all it is a technocratic attempt

1101
00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:16,890
at managing all of reality and so it's a

1102
00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:19,080
thing and it's outgoing likey that one

1103
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:20,990
of the reasons we're seeing such a

1104
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,610
polarization and collapse in in

1105
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:25,440
discourse around the world is because it

1106
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:27,420
doesn't work and my favorite model for

1107
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:30,270
this is the model by charles fort which

1108
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,500
is where we get the word fourteen right

1109
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:33,420
and he had this idea of dominance or

1110
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,380
essentially IRA's so we are moving out

1111
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:39,540
we were in the eon of religion until

1112
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:42,810
about the early 19th century and then

1113
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,970
ratings really and then we moved into

1114
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:47,760
the eon or the dominant of science and

1115
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:49,530
we are crossing over from the dominant

1116
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,210
of science into the dominant of way to

1117
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:53,160
inclusions or dominant of witchcraft now

1118
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:57,870
this is sort of like turns structural

1119
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,490
scientific revolution right so it's sort

1120
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:01,380
of like paradigm shift except that was

1121
00:48:05,810 --> 00:48:03,750
modernist cold war propaganda designed

1122
00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:05,820
to prove to the soviets that they will

1123
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:09,120
eventually end up capitalist force was

1124
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:11,850
more mystical and better and more

1125
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,900
accurate because in a dominant reality

1126
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,000
the things that are allowed to be real

1127
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:20,460
really does shift so that is a feature

1128
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:22,890
in the universe it's not just a question

1129
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:25,830
in in tunes model where additional data

1130
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:28,500
points tipped into the model which then

1131
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:29,960
widens and

1132
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:32,060
increases slightly inaccuracy in its

1133
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,170
description of the universe and that's

1134
00:48:37,180 --> 00:48:35,660
this kind of grand scientific project of

1135
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:37,190
us getting better and better at

1136
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,630
describing things influenced when it's

1137
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:40,640
like that some things are actually true

1138
00:48:44,890 --> 00:48:42,980
now that weren't before and the

1139
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:44,900
dominance of why the inclusion is called

1140
00:48:48,579 --> 00:48:47,000
that and it's a wonderful place of

1141
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,589
science because there's science and this

1142
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:51,920
has happened expands it hits things that

1143
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,690
science can't explain so it hits

1144
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:55,550
telepathy and it hits after death

1145
00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:57,290
communication and hits end of life

1146
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,810
experiences and it hits some of the

1147
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:02,240
stranger UFO contact cases and all of

1148
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,760
these things which we have scientific

1149
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:07,520
data for that breaks science are those

1150
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:09,470
things that are included in the dominant

1151
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:10,580
so that's why it's a dominant of

1152
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:12,140
witchcraft the wider inclusions where

1153
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,230
the things that are allowed to be real

1154
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:16,640
literally shift and what do you have

1155
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:18,950
over the last say five or so years but a

1156
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:21,530
rise in culture and it isn't some of its

1157
00:49:27,490 --> 00:49:23,420
enough but only a small minority of it

1158
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,500
is an arm the prominence of the devil in

1159
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:29,990
witchcraft in in TV particularly things

1160
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:32,180
like Netflix and the rise of Tarot

1161
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:34,310
everywhere and the return of astrology

1162
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:36,260
and all of these things that aren't this

1163
00:49:43,329 --> 00:49:40,339
isn't it is a fact but it is things that

1164
00:49:44,859 --> 00:49:43,339
happen in a new dominant it's literally

1165
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,869
a new era where these things are allowed

1166
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:47,119
to be real and it's funny I don't know

1167
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:48,650
if it's been your experience I might

1168
00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:50,450
have a on my show I have a hypothetical

1169
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:53,300
barbecue where I frequently asked my

1170
00:49:58,060 --> 00:49:55,400
guests like if you're at a barbecue it

1171
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:58,070
gives with the parasites and someone

1172
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:59,630
asks you what you do and in their

1173
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:01,430
cynical when you tell what is the best

1174
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:02,900
piece of data to come back at them with

1175
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,520
and I feel as the same thing with you

1176
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:05,599
follow just like what you're busy for

1177
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:08,570
education and enter no one right and

1178
00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:09,740
those are the kind of things that are

1179
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:11,780
allowed to be real in their dominant of

1180
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:13,400
a wider inclusion so it doesn't surprise

1181
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:16,760
me at all that Tarot and witchcraft and

1182
00:50:22,839 --> 00:50:20,210
all of this stuff is is exuberantly

1183
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:22,849
existing now because for it's basically

1184
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,820
said that's what would happen any time

1185
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:28,640
in the 20th this this can be very

1186
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:32,270
cyclical and something from your from

1187
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:32,990
your book

1188
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:35,060
chaos particles which I absolutely loved

1189
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:41,210
is your that you mention you you go into

1190
00:50:44,829 --> 00:50:43,400
this a bit and I won't

1191
00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:44,839
ruin it for anybody that needs to read

1192
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:47,559
the book because everyone does but how

1193
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:50,450
you should jump on opportunity this is

1194
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:52,910
not everybody gets very entrenched and I

1195
00:50:56,019 --> 00:50:54,170
think the actual code is you're being

1196
00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:56,029
intellectually on dishonest with

1197
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:58,730
yourself if you think pockets of hyper

1198
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:01,220
growth occurring in places beyond where

1199
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:03,170
you currently live early relevant

1200
00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:05,240
they're not a very obvious opportunity

1201
00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:08,829
is staring you in the face move and the

1202
00:51:13,269 --> 00:51:11,059
interesting thing is people don't want

1203
00:51:15,819 --> 00:51:13,279
to move or very obstinate is this part

1204
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:15,829
of the programming it is its cultural

1205
00:51:20,529 --> 00:51:18,700
laziness and an expectation I mean I had

1206
00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:20,539
was very close with all of my

1207
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:22,700
grandparents and they were and on my

1208
00:51:25,930 --> 00:51:24,049
father's side they were involved in

1209
00:51:28,269 --> 00:51:25,940
essentially imperial service but they

1210
00:51:30,789 --> 00:51:28,279
were and so my grandmother introduced

1211
00:51:32,289 --> 00:51:30,799
the brownies to New Guinea and for

1212
00:51:34,269 --> 00:51:32,299
instance so I wish I find a light for

1213
00:51:35,890 --> 00:51:34,279
this idea of actual brown girls sitting

1214
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:35,900
on a beach learning how to tie knots and

1215
00:51:39,819 --> 00:51:37,609
so my grandfather ran parts of New

1216
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:39,829
Guinea you know the other side he was a

1217
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,490
banker so the doctor and he fought in

1218
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:45,200
the war or doctor in the war and so we

1219
00:51:52,059 --> 00:51:49,760
have I grew up with stories of the doing

1220
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:52,069
of things and you do what needs to be

1221
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:54,680
done and we don't have that now we have

1222
00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:56,660
an entitled sense of well why can't I be

1223
00:52:03,010 --> 00:51:59,510
a ballerina a famous ballerina living in

1224
00:52:04,359 --> 00:52:03,020
Flint you can't you can live in Flint or

1225
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:04,369
you can be you can live somewhere else

1226
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,170
and be a famous ballerina and it's

1227
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,000
entitlement if it's some reason at this

1228
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,400
point in history you get all of it and I

1229
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:13,130
don't have time for it and and it

1230
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:14,480
definitely doesn't happen to the

1231
00:52:19,029 --> 00:52:16,190
children of migrants but it happens to

1232
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,039
the next generation down and after that

1233
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:21,680
and and particularly in the u.s. even

1234
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:24,500
where the economy is extremely is

1235
00:52:27,339 --> 00:52:25,880
growing like you guys have the best

1236
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:27,349
economy in the world at the moment but

1237
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:29,480
it's growing extremely unevenly and

1238
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:32,150
people still aren't moving in sufficient

1239
00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:34,670
amounts to take advantage of it and then

1240
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:36,980
you know it's not necessarily a question

1241
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:38,390
if this is where you're poor but this is

1242
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:40,089
one of the reasons why you're poor like

1243
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:43,730
you don't you fish in the river because

1244
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:45,049
that's where the fish are you don't fish

1245
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:48,170
in a car park and and that that just

1246
00:52:51,849 --> 00:52:49,900
seems self-evident to me a magic

1247
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:51,859
particularly practical magic and

1248
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,569
practical enchantment has that attitude

1249
00:52:57,140 --> 00:52:56,000
this is your lifetime this is what you

1250
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,150
get and one day you

1251
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:00,240
be dead so uh so go after it and that's

1252
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:02,910
always said my attitude and and it's I

1253
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:05,130
guess the good news for people who do

1254
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:07,079
see the world that way is fewer and

1255
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:08,670
fewer people do which means less

1256
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:10,710
competition if you are willing to to

1257
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:12,569
move and seek out opportunity and it's

1258
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:13,619
to doesn't mean because this would be a

1259
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,420
horrible life and trust me I know this

1260
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:17,099
is what I did as a career before I

1261
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:18,869
started doing this still doesn't mean

1262
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:20,460
everyone has to toddle off the Silicon

1263
00:53:25,279 --> 00:53:21,869
Valley and work for a start-up because

1264
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:25,289
that's awful but in areas of in cities

1265
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:26,430
where there is growth there are

1266
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:28,140
ancillary things you can start your own

1267
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:29,490
business somewhere where people are

1268
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,380
getting paid Amazon salaries and and

1269
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:33,240
what have you and that just seems

1270
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,230
obvious to me those are the

1271
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:37,440
opportunities that are available now in

1272
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:41,390
the way that a horizontal industrial

1273
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:45,630
post-war employment economy which is

1274
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,460
gone permanently now but like the Boomer

1275
00:53:53,059 --> 00:53:49,680
employment landscape it's gone forever

1276
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,069
and we're whining that it you know but

1277
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:54,900
it's not that it isn't here anymore and

1278
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:57,510
well it isn't so it might come back in

1279
00:54:01,819 --> 00:53:59,460
50 years time how many years have you

1280
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:01,829
got left on earth and go at it and

1281
00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,230
that's a very Chaos magic attitude I

1282
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:06,390
think and it's it's and I think it would

1283
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:07,890
be the traditional witchcraft attitude

1284
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,990
there's a sort of not necessarily an a

1285
00:54:16,579 --> 00:54:12,559
morality about it but there is a

1286
00:54:19,099 --> 00:54:16,589
pragmatism and and practicality to visit

1287
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:19,109
my situation which is the situation I'm

1288
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,670
going to give it the old college try

1289
00:54:27,069 --> 00:54:25,079
absolutely unless unless companies are

1290
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:27,079
handing out those gold watches anymore

1291
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:32,579
it's it's totally true Gordon where

1292
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,010
thank you so much for chatting with us

1293
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:38,160
where tell us about your courses your

1294
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:40,020
website etc where people can get your

1295
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:42,450
books and hear more about what's going

1296
00:54:48,529 --> 00:54:46,710
on so sure funny you know the queue we

1297
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:48,539
do of course for the members of the

1298
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:50,819
website which is rude and soup every

1299
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:52,500
quarter the members vote on what they

1300
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:53,880
voted for for this quarter is a wealth

1301
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:54,599
metric course

1302
00:55:00,859 --> 00:54:58,710
so speaking of things you can do in your

1303
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,869
life using magic to improve your

1304
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:02,940
material circumstances you can join the

1305
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:04,529
membership but I also have a weekly

1306
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,569
podcast which again rune soup you can

1307
00:55:09,319 --> 00:55:08,400
find it on YouTube or at the URL or on

1308
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:09,329
Facebook

1309
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:13,230
and my books are available from Amazon

1310
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:16,530
the easiest may as well and and yeah

1311
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,300
just to search for me it was searched

1312
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:20,400
for chaos protocol those starships and

1313
00:55:25,819 --> 00:55:24,180
and the books will show up can't thank

1314
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,829
you enough Gordon keep producing that

1315
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:28,680
magic your books are amazing just them

1316
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:31,619
alone and everybody check out rinse OOP

1317
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:34,170
I can't wait to talk to you again and I

1318
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:35,550
appreciate you giving me a second chance

1319
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:40,290
to have you on all right take care

1320
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,380
Gordon all the best well there you have

1321
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:46,160
it everybody's favorite chaos magician

1322
00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:49,250
Gordon white breaking it down for us

1323
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,339
explaining magic ayahuasca skinwalkers

1324
00:56:00,559 --> 00:55:56,880
the elites how they use magic and the

1325
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,569
political propaganda machine and how

1326
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:02,640
it's used against us this was a great

1327
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:04,230
conversation I think a lot of people

1328
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,290
wanted and needed to hear thanks for

1329
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:09,180
listening in to hero paranormal check

1330
00:56:13,789 --> 00:56:11,609
out hero paranormal comm check out

1331
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:13,799
spaceball for research com something

1332
00:56:21,250 --> 00:56:16,230
would be for fun and definitely check

1333
00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:21,260
out rune soup Gordon white his books and

1334
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,349
support him any way you can he is beyond

1335
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:27,599
a doubt the one who explains magic and

1336
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:29,730
the most facilitated way to the masses

1337
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:32,690
including myself great guy as well so

1338
00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:35,880
can't beat that with the stick until

1339
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:38,540
next time keep your eyes to the skies

1340
00:56:50,770 --> 00:56:42,809
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1341
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:59,630
[Music]

1342
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:02,759
cur blasts off in my time machine

1343
00:57:12,569 --> 00:57:09,880
sir I feel like it needs a blast-off